As someone who is coming to increasingly believe that 99% of the world problems are caused by powers seeking to intentionally divide us one from the other, I cannot tell you how much joy this brings me to see. I wish you great success in this effort, however small it might appear to be in the scheme of things.
I agree so much, but the pessimist in me says that this isn't _really_ free, and I don't want to plug in a cool person's info without knowing who the info is being sold to.
If this was publicly available document so I could fill in the missing bits, I'd send a dozen of these tomorrow.
> I don't want to plug in a cool person's info without knowing who the info is being sold to.
Have we reached peak data privacy paranoia? Harmless lil projects that harken back to the good ol' days of the internet are somehow actually devious PII honeypots?
Why do people think their data is so valuable on its own without being connected to their actual consumer related behavior? Truly, what is a name and address worth vs. anonymous user on smart TV id_8z6748dxzh watched 3 hours of Hoarders on Amazon Prime, skipped 85% of ads, but did not skip 50% of ads relating to early onset male pattern baldness, and resides in Ohio?
We somehow both overestimate and underestimate the value of our personal data. Which leads to unwarranted paranoia in inappropriate contexts and alarming indifference in the most common but mundane contexts.
The privacy policy on the website specifically states that they are collecting the PII and may use it to offer products or services, either by themselves or via a "business partner".
It isn't paranoia when the threat is real.
> We may share Your information with Our business partners to offer You certain products, services or promotions.
> To provide You with news, special offers and general information about other goods, services and events which we offer that are similar to those that you have already purchased or enquired about unless You have opted not to receive such information.
Currently: a letter choosing formal legal vocabulary (/s) to create social network metadata, endorse human activity ("you'd like the recipient to continue doing"), disclose someone else's physical address and record the interaction in the national postal system.
We may share Your personal information in the following situations:
For business transfers: We may share or transfer Your personal information in connection with, or during negotiations of, any merger, sale of Company assets, financing, or acquisition of all or a portion of Our business to another company.
With business partners: We may share Your information with Our business partners to offer You certain products, services or promotions.
The name and address is valuable because it can be matched to offline behavior through a bill you pay or rewards membership you are enrolled in to further enrich the data associated with id_8z6748dxzh and combine it with your shopping history at Macy's and Safeway, for instance. This is even more valuable when combined with your cellular bill.
I've work in ad tech,and with CDPs for nearly 20 years.
I have to agree with cootsnuck here. If you are one of the people that found it necessary to raise red flags in these comments about this web site, here’s why I think you got your level of paranoia wrong in this case:
1. The site was never going to scale. The guys are printing physical letters and hand-inserting them in envelopes with stamps, for free!
2. So some entrepreneurial folks on the internet have gathered a hundred physical addresses, and they know a self-reported name and IP address, and maybe some persistent cookie info about a human that might be the first person’s friend. So what? Go bring up https://www.beenverified.com
You can gather more info there in 15 minutes than the Continue and Persist guys will get over their whole project.
3. Learn to recognize a fun project that was done out of kindness and a spirit of adventure! Yeah maybe they should have not put up the language of “we get to sell your data if somebody offers to buy our web site”. But so what! The whole thing is just a kind adventure that brought a smile to the faces of some strangers, and will never be more than that. I appreciate it!
As insidious as data harvesting is, I am even less of a fan of the pearl clutching / performative cynicism that is so popular these days.
Why yes, when I say “good morning” to the barista who hands my my coffee, it is possible that the shop is recording me and will use my voice in an elaborate voice cloning scam to get grandma to transfer her life savings to Nigeria.
But breathlessly alerting me to this impending disaster and soberly advising me to never use my voice in public is not going to impress me.
There are so many apps there days that collect all your personal data with so many promises but after you've spent like half an hour signing up and giving them all of your data, they smack you in the face with a pay wall...
I find this so annoying and to a point even criminal, as it's basically a scam, but App Stores do nothing about it, even if you report the apps.
> Have we reached peak data privacy paranoia? Harmless lil projects that harken back to the good ol' days of the internet are somehow actually devious PII honeypots?
Safe assumptions with most any "tech" industry company or individual now are that they will behave completely like sociopaths when it comes to personal data.
It's so baked into "tech" culture now, even people who may be ethically inclined don't recognize it as a problem.
So I object to blaming the victim, or gaslighting, suggesting that people who are aware of this crisis of widespread antisocial behavior are being paranoid.
I’m old enough to remember the white pages, where essentially everyone’s name, phone number, and address were published and distributed.
But it’s hard to have a conversation about appropriate calibration of what is private, and what are reasonable expectations, when extremists from both pro-privacy and scorched-earth commerce are so strident.
It was a lot harder to SWAT people when the White Pages existed. American society was much higher-trust then; people didn't show up to pizza parlors with assault rifles because of something they read online.
You'll have to forgive those of us who simply want to remain safe.
Mafia Enforcer: "It's hard to have a conversation about what's an appropriate level of protection racket, when you're always screaming about your kneecaps being smashed. I'm reaching out to you to talk, but I just can't take you seriously when you're behaving like this."
It is not only the value of my personal data, but it is the fact that they are hiding their intent behind some feel good wishy washy do nothing campaign that will only lead to more pollution and CO2 being released for the sake of makeing money without actually producing anything.
it truly is free hahah we're using some free survey website plan and then Mark would fill in a template in google docs, print, and post the official letter. I think we hit our limit on the form though. We didn't expect it to blow up! Mark is gonna kill me when he checks his email
While true, it doesn't even have to be a pivot. It can be a sale of asset (volontary or necessary), an acquihire where the project and data just become some old vault to be disposed of and dozens other scenario.
I'm sure no one at Yahoo actually thought or had any plan for all of that personal data to be data mined wholesale by Verizon a decade later. And nobody at Google right now believes all that data could be sold to Comcast or whatever. But things happen and then...
send one to temp mail then copy it. if the privacy policy weren't so lax I'd not share the cynicism with you, but it state it'll be collected and shared
My job puts me on the receiving end of a lot of gratitude, and I absolutely adore it. It's one of the main perks of the job. After experiencing it, I have become a lot more lavish in my praise, and frequently email people to thank them for their work. Most of them are very appreciative of it, especially when they make their work freely available.
>> I’ll contact someone if I loved their book or music or work. I’ll find a way to contact the author or the creator and say, “Holy shit. That was brilliant. I loved it. This was amazing. Count me as a fan.”
>> I’ve done this about 20 times. I never got a response only once or twice, but the rest responded warmly. Many of these people have turned into friends. We actually call each other on the phone and shoot the shit. A couple of them have even turned into best friends.
Highly recommend any work that has a non-trivial creation/publishing threshold, regardless of medium or domain.
To tie the back to a HN context - this works great for academic papers. I've had some great email exchanges from original authors including a few people I've absolutely idolised. Turns out they're human too.
"karma farming" is just another way of saying "playing to the base" on any site. No one actually thinks the points here are worth anything or worth tracking.
karma is a term _used_ by reddit, but it definitely isn't exclusively used there. Outside of its hindu origin, it's used by quite a few forums that track user submission/comment votes as a user score, including hackernews.
HN user pg, aka Paul Graham, the (co-)founder of both this site, i.e. HN, and YC itself, the "parent" site, was probably the guy (or one of his early colleagues) who implemented the karma feature here on HN.
I am saying this because the feature has been there from pretty early on.
No need to believe me, go verify it yourself, by any means you choose.
Oh there is definitely something wrong with using Reddit after their API fiasco revealed how much disdain they have for their own users and moderators, but that’s besides the point
