> if you vote Republican in 2024, you vote erasure. You vote oppression. You vote fascism
As a registered independent who finds both major parties unconscionable, this line of argument worries me. Frankly, members of both parties can ascribe the worst possible motives to those who vote for the opposition, precisely because both parties are a massive tangle of complex social, economic, political, and administrative issues, not necessarily all consistent with each other, and very often only invoked when it's politically convenient.
I'm not trying to engage in false equivalence here, because it is absolutely possible for one party to be worse than the other. But what I'm saying is that ascribing the worst possible motives to those who don't vote like you is only going to inflame our already polarized political discourse, and my great fear is that if the flames are fanned enough, we're going to end up how Rwanda ended up when the hatred between the Hutus and Tutsis boiled over.
This is a bad moment to be playing the enlightened centrist.
The main point is that one party in particular is pushing discriminatory legislation against a minority group and demonizing them. That counts as oppression to me. People who vote for said party are therefore voting for those things - voting for despite not supporting such policies is still enabling said discrimination.
Your response seems victim blamey. Yes, the post is ascribing the worst motives at times. The cynic in me sees the anti-trans campaign as a political distraction from other issues that actually affect the voting base's lives.
Doesn't change the fact it's hurting and likely taking human lives.
You compare the situation to Hutus and Tutsis. In this case she is a Tutsi, warning about the increasing threat of Hutus - whose rhetoric becomes more violent by the day - and is asking for help.
If you're familiar with the history of the Rwandan genocide, it was not simply a matter of the vulnerable Tutsis being massacred by the evil Hutus.
The genocide was the culmination of a hundred-plus years of power shifting from one group to the other. When the Tutsis were in power, they made life hell for the Hutus, and when the Hutus were in power, they made life hell for the Tutsis. Each group came to see the other as deserving of that punishment because of the way they had been mistreated when the other group was in power.
But my broader point is a criticism of the major-party duopoly, where every single social issue, economic issue, military issue, civil rights issue, etc. gets boiled down to these two choices. And often the philosophy that underpins them is inconsistent. So it's no wonder that each party is able to point out the inconsistencies and evils of its opposition; our political system is designed to make that as easy as possible. And the politicians who run within those parties benefit from that polarization.
Thanks for pointing out the tensions that existed in Rwanda that led up to it. I was particularly analogizing on the point just before the genocide, where the faction in power were unpersoning and calling for violence against their later victims.
In the end the analogy is flawed either way you spin it. Democrat and Republican voters are not ethnic/cultural groups in a country recently ravaged by colonialism.
But again, I am noting that someone is complaining about increasing oppression against their minority group, and you are lamenting about them playing into party politics.
Human rights are more important than the issue of having a healthy political culture. I thought it was inappropriate and out of touch to focus on the latter in this context.
In Northern Ireland, there are two sides, the Irish Republicans and the Unionists. Twenty years ago peace was brought to this part of the world by bringing in power sharing. Had this happened in Rwanda, would the genocide have occurred?
Are you talking about the abortion bans that seem to have further expanded the 5-11% lead in voting preference among women that Democrats have over Republicans for decades?
I have a very hard time believing they don't realize who they're voting for. This isn't a secret. They're quite explicit about it.
I had been willing to believe that they simply put other issues first, which was merely selfish and short-sighted -- the kind of thing a democracy can be moderately robust for. But the culture war is front page news every day in every medium, and I simply cannot believe any more that it's not a deliberate choice.
The Republican Party is moving in a very dark direction, and has been for years now. This isn't just red team/blue team partisan cheerleading. This isn't Trump Derangement syndrome. Both parties aren't equal in this regard. I think the author's fear is justified and maybe the onus should be on Republicans to finally smell the rot in their own house instead of on everyone else to be polite about it.
> ...Republicans to finally smell the rot in their own house...
I'm not sure it even matters currently. I've got friends who vote Republican, knowing stuff about their party/candidate which makes the uncomfortable (or worse). They still keep voting Republican, mostly because "democrats will kill babies and take away my guns and social security!". They've had more than a decade of "worst motives" ascribed to the opposition.
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Republicans: decades of "they'll take away our guns!"
Democrats: "that's not going to happen."
Decades later, doesn't happen.
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Democrats: decades of "they're going to take away your access to abortion/contraception"
Republicans: "meh... nah... why are you so paranoid?"
Decades later... access to abortion heavily restricted, on track for total bans in many regions.
> The Republican Party is moving in a very dark direction, and has been for years now.
Since Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1965 and the Republican Party decided to seize the opportunity it had failed to exploit in previous splits between the Democrats’ White supremacist faction and the rest of the broadened post-New Deal party by offering the former a new partisan home that would focus on the issues the Democrats had become inconsistent on.
The Republican Party is moving in a very dark direction, and has been for years now.
Decades.
It's really hard to put a starting date on it. I think of it as beginning in the 1990s. But that's a follow-in from the late 60s, when civil rights caused the re-orientation of the parties. And before that, the anti-communist movement which upset the post-Civil War alignment.
Regardless... I have memories of the 80s and early 90s when it felt competitive and rude but not utterly hopeless. Since then it has seemed to me that it has grown monotonically worse -- and I see no reason to think that the direction is going to change.
> It's really hard to put a starting date on it. I think of it as beginning in the 1990s. But that's a follow-in from the late 60s, when civil rights caused the re-orientation of the parties.
Pretty much nailed it: the 1990s is when the new partisan alignment had pretty much shaken out, the 1960s and particularly the Civil Rights Act of 1965 was the trigger for the second part of the double realignment leading to that new alignment from the one that had held basically from Reconstruction; the first trifger starting with the Great Depression and more specifically Roosevelt’s New Deal coalition.
It started with George Bush senior. He basically undid the optimistic conservatism of Reagan (small government, favor individual liberty, Constitutional originalism...), and reverted to his own just-play-to-win style that gave us Dick Cheney and Neoconservatism.
Trump's populist tribalism stuck the knife into the conservative movement. The heart's still beating, but it's faint.
I find your last analogy kind of interesting. If it were 1994, and the Tutsis said "If you vote Hutu, you vote oppression, you vote fascism", would you tell them that they should not fan the political flames?
I hate to risk Godwinning the argument; it doesn't (yet) look like that. And you've already said that you don't want to draw false equivalences. But I think it's worth considering that sometimes the motives are the worst possible motives, and it's not up to the victims to reduce polarization.
This isn't just about "people who don't vote like me". It's about people who are actively voting to oppress me, to make harmless behavior illegal and to diminish my voting power to prevent it. Voting isn't harmless; it's ultimately a matter of compulsion.
That can often be benign. We'll never be unanimous and sometimes minorities on any issue will be compelled. That works when it's not done with malice. But malice is a real thing, and it only takes one side to have it. And it really looks to me as if it's being done out of malice in the US, right now. Maybe not genocidal... but I don't think it's up to the trans people or any other group to avoid inflaming Republicans just by existing.
Yep. Whenever I see "republicans and democrats are the same", I know I'm talking to someone not directly affected by the policy differences (so someone likely cis, white, straight, and/or middle-class or higher).
I just think that "enlightened centrism" is sort of intellectually lazy at this point.
Obviously you don't have to agree with everything that a side does, but I think it's extremely easy to just throw your hands up in the air and say "both sides are bad!" and then turn your brain off. It is the facsimile of an enlightened opinion, but you didn't actually do anything to earn it.
There are plenty of things that the American left do/say that I don't agree with [1], but I don't think the logical conclusion of that is to just act like both sides are equally horrible.
[1] For example, I fundamentally do not agree with the (at least one point) popular leftist opinion of decreasing military funding.
"Both sides are bad" simply provides cover/defense for the side that's actually worse. There are degrees of badness and "both sides" ignores that degree.
Not the person you're responding to, but I did grow up in the south (Florida) and lived in Texas for three years immediately afterward. My criticism about people equivocating democrats and republicans still stand.
As a registered independent who finds both major parties unconscionable, this line of argument worries me. Frankly, members of both parties can ascribe the worst possible motives to those who vote for the opposition, precisely because both parties are a massive tangle of complex social, economic, political, and administrative issues, not necessarily all consistent with each other, and very often only invoked when it's politically convenient.
I'm not trying to engage in false equivalence here, because it is absolutely possible for one party to be worse than the other. But what I'm saying is that ascribing the worst possible motives to those who don't vote like you is only going to inflame our already polarized political discourse, and my great fear is that if the flames are fanned enough, we're going to end up how Rwanda ended up when the hatred between the Hutus and Tutsis boiled over.