There are many many more users of CL, I just listed some household names. If you don't hear about some technology every day, it doesn't mean it has to be "dead", there are plenty of important and "alive" technologies that you are not aware of. You just can't win this argument, if you try to prove the opposite you automatically lose, that's rather unreasonable.
>There are many many more users of CL, I just listed some household names.
I know. But it's still admitting defeat, as they're not as many as to make its liveliness self-evident, and make giving a list of projects using the language moot.
Nobody will ask for such proof from a language whose liveliness is not in dispute, one for which the see constant mentions on social media, jobs posted, major new projects being written in them, companies using them left and right,
books a-plenty being written all the time about them, meeting people who use them is trivial, and so on...
>You just can't win this argument, if you try to prove the opposite you automatically lose, that's rather unreasonable.
This "inabillity to win" using such proof though, makes sense though if one understands "language X is dead" as not some kind of absolute statement that nobody uses it, but rather as it was meant: "it's not as lively as it was, nor it is particularly popular".
"But this company uses it somewhere" doesn't really answer it. Companies use all kinds of niche stuff here and there, on legacy projects, stuff they bought, or stuff done by some small team and used because "it works, so let's keep it", but that stuff remains niche. We can find companies using Eiffel, APL, and whatever too. Does mean they're not dead-dead either, doesn't mean there's much life in them.
If it was one of the handful of "Google sanctioned official langauges" for example that stuff is written is, that would be a good argument (even if that was still just an individual company).
If you need to do your homework to tell whether a language is used, then it's not particularly alive.
The point isn't if it's used by some (that's true for all languages, there are some companies doing stuff in whatever niche language you want, and if you look enough, you'll find this or that project in some FAANG using any old language, they might even use Oberon or Dylan.
But that's not the point when we usually say it's "dead" or "alive" (else all languages would be "alive", even Algol, I'm pretty sure there are projects there still done in Algol). So, it is not about there being some use, but about whether the language is mass adopted, or smaller but growing, or dwinlding, past its heyday, and only used by the occasional outlier.
To drive the point home, there are swing bands playing 30s swing, and even clubs and events devoted to that genre. But swing music is pretty much dead in the sense we're talking about, whereas in the 20s and 30s it was pretty much alive.
probably not the best example because both the Catholic Church and Latin are likely still going to be around when all of us, most programming languages, companies and probably countries are in the dust
peak popularity in the <current year> in a domain where most things have a half life of less than 20 years isn't a good indicator for longevity.
It's like saying "The Vatican still uses latin, it's not a completely dead language".