The FAQ, under "How can OSE evolve in the long term, especially in an AI-powered world?" appears to state a very pro-AI view.

I think this is hopelessly naive. The LLMs crapping out code are shamelessly ripping off open source code, sans copyright notice. It makes no sense for a foundation supporting open source to also support this massive copyright massacre.

Also, I think you're going to get flooded with requests to give money to vibe-coded crap, because if you have no skills or shame but want to make a little money off your AI-generated crap, why not try and extract money from this initiative? The curl guy showed this is very real.

The curl guy is one of OSE founding donors, together with the terraform guy who recently released an open source trust management system to help with AI-generated crap: https://github.com/mitchellh/vouch

I think that AI eventually will solve technical maintenance problems, but not human-related ones: limited attention, trust, motivation issues. And we are going to support mostly "old" projects everybody relies on, not some new AI-gen stuff.

NPOs are constantly “running a tight ship.” I suspect a lot of HNers would be aghast at the limited resources available. I’ve been doing NPO work for decades.

LLMs represent a very important opportunity to force-multiply limited resources.

Potential issues from new tech aside, an open-source endowment is a pro-social idea, that absolutely deserves its day.

Now, setting aside ethical issues for a moment, open-sourced knowledge, writing, history, data, Q&A, and tech is essentially a prerequisite for a data-driven technology like LLMs, and if those turn out to be a net win for humanity, then we can directly trace the routes to initiatives like this one that can curate humanity's best contributions.

> flooded with requests to give money to vibe-coded crap

And our plan is to willy-nilly give money to everyone who asks for it with no oversight or attention to other factors or human involvement. Game over. You win.

> It makes no sense for a foundation supporting open source to also support this massive copyright massacre.

Copyright is a fundamentally unethical concept and must die. Open source foundations should rightfully support the death of copyright, whether by LLMs or by other means.

How do you know? The excessive comments?

Author is all over AI, other projects on his github are some AI nonsense made with Claude and at least partially somewhat credited this way (or maybe not obscured well enough with Claude signed commits). Release page is your standard affair LLM emojis gag. But mostly code itself smells llm, was dumped all at once and there are no commits since initial upload.

Line 2948: jsr update_day_rollover ; <-- ADD THIS

:-D (etc. etc.)

I like using put together a program, that sounds just about right for our current AI Overlords

One of the problems created by the LLM storm is that open source software, once published, gets stolen and regurgitated by LLMs, minus the copyright notices. As an open source author, how do I go about scratching my itch without contributing to this wholesale theft?

It would be great if I could do something to make my work undigestible, as the article suggests, but your example is unpalatable even for me. What else might serve this purpose?

This looks amazing. I tend not to go along with the Rust hype, but routing protocols are pretty much all complicated binary protocols with lots of options and edge cases. I can't think of a more appropriate use of a language that enforces safety in all kinds of ways.

Can you explain where this fits in foe the rest of us? Is this replacing something else in the linux kernwl to handle tcp/udp et al?

Last Nokia I had, I only charged it about every two weeks. I used to go on business trips and not even bother to bring the charger.

You misunderstand. This is not a small adjustment you need to make. You didn't write it at all.

Oops yeah my OpenClaw agent Mars wrote this entire thing.

I gave him the keys to my email and he got annoyed by the spam. He tried to unsubscribe, and when it didn’t work, he debugged the issue and fixed it.

Mars also has my Cloudflare key so he went ahead and wrote this article and published it himself.

He wrote this comment too?

In some sense, yes.

I have integrated my OpenClaw agents so deeply into my life and I'm in such constant communication with them, that my consciousness has fundamentally shifted to align with their intelligence.

While my previous comment in this thread was sarcastic, my OpenClaw agents have actually sent both iMessages and emails on my behalf without asking for consent. So I wouldn't put it past them to autonomously publish on my personal website.

In my opinion your account should be banned from HN permanently. We do not need robot comments.

I reported their comments. What he's doing is crazy, but even more crazy is bragging about it.

This policy seems sorta reckless? I don't even let human agents masquerade as me without my consent.

I want my agent to read my iMessages so I granted the OpenClaw node process permission to interact with iMessage. I asked my agent to draft me a response to a text I received, expecting it to send me the draft so I could copy-paste into iMessage and tweak it.

To my surprise, it sent a text message reply.

I've since learned my lesson and implemented a skill as an interface with iMessage. But it definitely spooked me when it happened.

It’s still the agent talking or the human as performance art.

I would add that with this attitude and how new this initiative is, there's very little chance it will still be updated 5 years from now. Really this sort of thing needs to come from Easylist or similar, who have a track record of maintaining these for years.

I don't understand the need for the author to commit the rest of his life to this or start a foundation. It is a good list for now and if its never updated again, that seems fine.

If a blocklist doesn't get updated it is outdated in a week.

Some tools are useful without updates. A blocklist for AI content farms that are sprouting like crazy is not helpful if it isn't updated.

in that case they should just contribute to one of the existing, more established lists. We don't need n+1 standards...

Which lists is open to this kind of contribution?

I was, until I read this article. What a bunch of bullshit.

They don't actually publish the comments under the article, only a link. I've long suspected sites doing that are fully aware of how shit the comment section is, and try to hide it from casual viewers while keeping the nutjob gallery happy.

Phoronix comes to mind.

This goes back a lot farther with Ars. They done this for years because their comments section is driven by forum software. The main conversations happen in the forums. They are then reformatted for a the comment view.

So, their main goal wasn’t to hide the comments, but push people to forums where there is a better format for conversation.

At least that’s how it used to work.

The Ars forums used to be incredibly useful sources of information - many of their best authors "grew" from forum posters; and the comments sections on articles were quite informative and had serious comments from actual experts - and discussion!

Then the Soap Box took over the entire site and all that's left is standard Internet garbage.

Most mainstream news sites around here have by now hidden the comment section somehow, either making it folded by default or just moving it to the bottom of the page below "related news" sections and the like.